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Tark Alkerk · Jul 16, 2006, 10:18 AM // 10:18

quite alot of problems in this game are down to ebay money, due to people having bought tons of money over the web they can afford to pay as much as they like for whatever they want. which infaltes the market no end.
personally i like getting armour and having to get the materials from going out and killing.
its slow yet gratifing, but in the long run i ain't very interressted in farming yet as a person who plays pvp most of the time i find that to be able to do this i need to farm some of the time to get the lastest armour/sup vigour/whatever for pve char that does pvp.

Avarre · Jul 16, 2006, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Originally Posted by Tark Alkerk

quite alot of problems in this game are down to ebay money, due to people having bought tons of money over the web they can afford to pay as much as they like for whatever they want. which infaltes the market no end.

They have to buy this money from somewhere, it hence has to ORIGINATE somewhere in the game. Without ebay, that cash would have ended up ingame anyway. The problem lies with the common-drop merchanting bots that power the Ebay sales

(They wouldn't exist otherwise, and said inflation wouldn't happen).

Priest Of Sin · Jul 16, 2006, 10:37 AM // 10:37

I wish they had a "GOLD" chart on GW... mine would go something like this:
BOUGHT FOW
UP
UP
UP DIRT POOR

And so on in that fashion, untill now, when I concentrate on getting my chars throgh the game. I'm so cool, I have 3.4k to my name

Servant of Kali · Jul 16, 2006, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by guppy

early gamers had FAR too much access to quick ways to get money, and it's sad that newer gamers really don't stand a chance to introduce themselves into the economy of guildwars..

The damage is done

Really?

Me = casual player

Me = could not afford a single 15k armor in Prophecies in a year of playing. Dun farm, dun like farming

Me = got 15k armor in Factions by playing it for 2 months only (using factions-only money and items)

You = whinner

flankthetank · Jul 16, 2006, 01:17 PM // 13:17

I wouldnt say its that difficult to gain money in this game.....

Make a Mo/W get ran to the desert and all the missions get a friend/guildie to powerlevel you to 15 then beat all desert missions and then beat your clone and ascend and you should be level 20 then go get all the skills and cap S o J. Buy your runes and armor you will make the money back in a few hydra runs..

If I really wanted to I could make about 200k a day since I play this damn game so much but I really hate farming... The only really fun thing is UW/FoW 55/SS farming since its fun trying to clear the whole entire place.

I had 160k lastnight but went on a mass spending spree because I cant save up money:[ thats the highest I have ever earned .. it didnt take long at all just went chest running for like 20 runs got some good stuff like 15^50 chaos axes that sold for like 30k each and some good mods from hydra farming.

I dont want to admit to buying ebay money because idk if I would get banned or not :x

ITS REALLY EASY TO GET MONEY IF YOU TRY TO GET IT.

Rebirther · Jul 16, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

well tbh 1.4 million gold cap isn't that hard to achieve and those who are very experienced in the game or mmorpgs in that matter are smart enough to understand the ways to gain such funds.

I mean there are many many options. 2 months ago I made 1.2million from a world wide proph's run including vital mission points, thats 2 and half days and thats close to max money already...

other options are farming the best and most expensive greens, i.e before the factions price market became more stable - rajazins fervor (the very first lot) sold for 100k+ roughly! (i sold loads at that price)

solo farming, green farming, running, mission+bonus completion, chest runs.

It's very easy to obtain 1million if you know what to do, I was among the few, as during my first 6-7months of proph's I barely made the 100k marker, now after seeing how other people make money my funds are stable between 300-500k most times (sometimes above)

of course some ebay it , but that cant be helped... all massive game titles have some form of item sold online and usually that is the easy solution for those who don't know what to do.

it's not hard to obtain gold, you just got to know what to do and take advantage of the "hot spots" of earning gold (i.e before a price is estabilished on an item) and only during those "hot spots" is when one can actually obtain a substantial amount of gold in one period.

Loralai · Jul 16, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

It is certainly not impossible to get large amounts of gold from farming. 55 Mos, solo warriors, duo smite runs yield large amounts of gold in various forms, as do typical team farms, like The Deep, Urgoz's Warren, Sorrow's Furnace, etc...

I've been through quite a lot of gold since I started playing a year ago. I spent alot of time initially desert farming with my monk, which paid off quite well. As for Factions, I made an insane amount of money on materials when it first came out, as well as on various golds I pulled from chests, especially zodiac items.

Alot of times, it's a matter of knowing what to sell and where, and for how much. And yes, there is an element of luck involved. I remember my first 100k item, way back in the day, was from the Razorstone. I've gotten a few really nice drops/chest drops, a couple Shadow Shields that were in the 250k range, a perfect storm bow that brought me 300k, and later, Kanaxi's weapons that yielded 100k+. If you notice, most of the profit is coming from the high-end missions. That's where the "money" is, in my opinion. But never underestimate the power of materials trade.

pkodyssey · Jul 16, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by Crimson Ashwood

Helote

I like to browse eBay for GuildWars stuff to view the skins on items, and see how insane some things are priced. At the moment, eBay gold is about 74.95USD for 1000k, 3 weeks ago it was 38USD for 1000k.

This indicates an influx of people buying. So, I'll have to assume the greater population of GuildWars players is eBaying it, then saying they "farmed" it. It's a shame really...

You do realize that the day after they banned 4000 accounts the priced jumped, and that it has nothing to do with the number of buyers.

shadowfell · Jul 16, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Avarre

They have to buy this money from somewhere, it hence has to ORIGINATE somewhere in the game. Without ebay, that cash would have ended up ingame anyway. The problem lies with the common-drop merchanting bots that power the Ebay sales

(They wouldn't exist otherwise, and said inflation wouldn't happen).

Reading beforehand, you would see however, that the majority of this money is supposed to have been sunk into the game, dyes, armors, runes that happen to fail salvage, but instead it is recycled, never really dissapearing from the game.

Sweatshop A: Full of farmers and farm bots, farming endlessly for gold. This yeilds items, mostly low end junk, that is than handed over to shop B. I mean really you can find 50 r8 15^50 hand axes in la 1 at any give time. Usually a monk/w in 1.5 tats

Sweatshop B: Is actually a part of the first shop, in that they take the items, not the gold, that shop A produces and turns these into gold. These are the annoying spam bots everyone complains about in all the trading districts. Again, M/W, or W/M, in the cheapest energy armor possible.

Sweatshop C: Now, occasionally, you will see a bot/trader spammer in a district with higher end items, fellblades, chaos axes, realm items, etc. These items are kept seperate from the common gold items. These are usually M/W, but often you will see a level 2 E/W or N/M in 15k armor. Don't let the armor fool you, they're a part of the same sweatshop system.

So, a million gold is being sold on ebay, and someone buys it, now they have it traded to them and want to buy some nice stuff..They head to the nearest trading district with their new fortune like a clothes horse in a mall. Instead of buying say, 15k armor, and 5 black dyes and blowing the gold on dwarven ale like normal people, he wants to buy a new weapon or two.

New guy with the 1 million gold will come to sweatshop C, unknowingly, and will buy a chaos axe off of them for whatever price is market at the time, plus markup. And then he will buy a shield, and a sword and ..blah blah..Before you know it, he is broke again. Trust me, these guys are more often than not, well over priced.

This not only prevents the money from being sunk back into the game, but it ensures that it will be recycled and resold on ebay. As I said before in my statement, pages ago. The gold is viciously cycled through the game like this. Hence, the gold shouldn't exist like it does. It should not still be in the economy.

Since money doesn't actually dissapear in real life, unless you burn it, Arena Net, had to make money burnable to support the economy from inflating. They had to create the dye and armor sinks and the ticket games, and all of this junk that makes people so sad when they realize how much money they blew on their armor and dye combination.

It doesn't really matter if the farm bots are doing the trolls and griffins non stop. As long as arena net continues to (allow, I am going to say since they seem unable to stop it) ebay gold sales, the market will get worse and worse. Without the lure of real world money, the farming shops would close down completely. The market would slowly, stabilize itself.

People need to remember however, the more ebay gold they're buying, the more expensive in game items are going to become. It is kind of sad that I will pass a character through marhans grotto and 4-5 or more people are complaining that they over spent 2-3 million dollars the week before and now need to ebay again. A sad chunk of people are proud that they ebay. They think its fun to brag that they have spent hundreds, upon thousands of real world money on ebay gold in their game history. They're honestly handicapped in fair market trading because they have no concept of how the market truly works.

If you see someone with 6-10 million dollars (claimed) and they're asking you for a price check because they really have no idea? Ebayer.

Arena net just needs to remove the crutch...

Yuabonuga_MTH · Jul 16, 2006, 03:59 PM // 15:59

i'm playing gw for 5 months and for that period of time i got 1 almost perfect wpm and sold it for 100k, got nothing else...

H2BH · Jul 16, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Well to be honest Ive farmed 50K off mergolyes outside the gates of kryta in proly 10-14 hours....

yes level 11 and 12 mergolyes...so I dont see why it would be hard to farm 100K off similar much higher level creatures. When I have a day off work and can devote 12 hours to non-stop playing....I dont see why it would be hard to farm 100K in a day.

Albeit when i can go to ebay and buy 100K for 20$, its not really worth my time to spend 12 hours farming, when I make that in 1 hour @ my real job. I mean seriously, when I think aobut time investment vs enjoyment, why would I sit and farm 1000K, to get all the gear id need to be able to compete in high level end game pvp when i can have it with 60$ and 10minutes waiting for some dude to login and transfer it to me?

I enjoy farming and do so for most of my cash(until i started needing 100K+ for every item i wanted that is). But when it came down to hey we need a high level <insert charachter> here for a alliance battle, you can bet Im gunna go ebay my gear cause its faster and I get to the part of the game I enjoy most.

But as I said, until the day came I acctualy NEEDED that much cash, I never touched ebay. Whether the reaosn I needed that 100K in the first place was b/c of ebay in the first place...well that sucks I guess but it doesnt change the current situation and the situation with every MMO since Asheron's Call and Evercrap Quest.

I really dont see anything wrong with ebay, yeah it sucks for kids who cant afford to buy or for people who refuse to buy (which i was an avid member of until i got a real job) but for a large protion of the community our time is our most vaulable asset and it simply makes sense to buy things from ebay vs doing it yourself. It doesnt matter what the item is gold,ecto's, wood....if it has an ingame value it then has a real world value...I mean you paid 50$ for the game in the first place right?? So why not pay another 50 to play the portions of it you want to play?

Sir Mad · Jul 16, 2006, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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If you see someone with 6-10 million dollars (claimed) and they're asking you for a price check because they really have no idea? Ebayer.

It reminds me this guy who PMed me one day (I had FoW armor):

Ebay: how much does FoW armor cost?
Me: 105 ectos and shards, and 15K for every piece.
Ebay: Thanks.
Ebay: I have 200 shards
Ebay: 150 ectos
Ebay: 300k
(as if I care)
Me: You have all this cash and don't know how much FoW armor is worth?

The Herbalizer · Jul 16, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Sir Mad

It reminds me this guy who PMed me one day (I had FoW armor):

Ebay: how much does FoW armor cost?
Me: 105 ectos and shards, and 15K for every piece.
Ebay: Thanks.
Ebay: I have 200 shards
Ebay: 150 ectos
Ebay: 300k
(as if I care)
Me: You have all this cash and don't know how much FoW armor is worth?

Ebay noob then goes to fow armor crafter and wonders why he cant craft it failing to realise there are other materials needed such as common ones

Winds of Blood · Jul 16, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

I farm the hall of heroes

^ best way for cash

shardfenix · Jul 16, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

I just bought 2 sets of 15k kurzick armor, and about 2 months ago got my monk fow, and i still have 200k left. I am proud to say i ebayed NONE of it. I got all of my money by farming 1500 candy canes and selling them for 1k each. Also, winning halls alot and selling the sigils makes a nice profit.

Crimson Ashwood · Jul 16, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

In all honesty, my luck has changed recently. I figure 20% of rich people are underworld/FoW dwellers, and the other 50% are rich cashed up eBay people and the rest are bot users, who were banned (then probably unbanned) in the recent sweep.

Doesn't take make to see how this could be. Just check the amount of ad's there are for Guild Wars gold, and how much they've sold (even though they usually change their ID after x amount of sales).

My luck changed when a 15^50 Storm Bow (req 12 tho) dropped in the UW for me. I won't sell it, but, it's make me a little richer. Plus recent ecto drops and COUNTER scamming the chinese farmers with their own shinanigans.

Best way to tell, person with high end items who doesn't seem to know how to play... (moderate to frequent dying in missions, odd skill choices etc...)

I'm glad my thread is so popular too! I was wondering if anyone else felt what I felt, good to see I'm not alone.

Hooray for Guild Wars!

makosi · Jul 16, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

Hurrah for me. Boguht my 7th FoW armour today and earned every single gold coin for it. Its not hard making gold. Not at all.

Crimson Ashwood · Jul 17, 2006, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Well, to make the kind of coin you need for SEVEN set's of FoW armor would definately be hard, if it weren't hard, everyone would do it... and if "hard" isn't the kind of work you like to use to describe this kind of earning power, it'd be another adjective similar to "hard"... trust me...

Anyways, congratulations! 7 sets of FoW is an achievement all of it's own, if you really did earn every coin, that truely is amazing, at least to me. Full kudos.

Cottage Pie · Jul 17, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Making millions is easy:

Firstly, Learn the prices - it's not too hard. Then, observe all ingame blabber - being alert & fast is #1 priority, people frequently sell things that you can make an easy 5-10k on. If you're good, within a week or so you will be one of the top few% of players based on wealth, but only after a few days you will be thinking to yourself "oh god, i've made 200k today...that's more than i made in my previous 6 months put together!", and this bit is cool...the more money you have, the more money you can earn, you invest more and earn more and on and on. Farming? none of the rich people farmed for their cash, but it's a good way of building up a little bit of capital to invest with, and the pass a little time in the chance you'll get a lucky drop.

This method does work, btw, i got my FoW armour (when ectos were 10k and no shards needed

) within two trades...and had plenty of change from that.

good luck getting rich and realising how pointless it was, gg.

PsychoX · Jul 17, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

wow, you guys have a lot of gold!

the most ive ever had was 1k, too busy buying flowers for my beloved gwen, she is so beautiful! never had an ecto/shard drop though, grawl never seem to drop those for some odd reason...

back to farming bandits to fund the flowers!

but really, gold is overrated and REALLY easy to come by... been spending left and right recently, dragos, ragos, ghial's, and still have a comfortable amount to lay back on.....